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Btw, have any of you ever noticed that in the part right after Robert Newton and Cyril Cusack got into that fight, when Robert Newton says "I don't know what came over me" he says it with his normal Brit accent then he picks back up with the pirate accent.
I think I brought this up on the old board, but there are new people here =]


Yes, I have noticed that. Me thinks perhaps dear ol' Bob had had a [sign in to see URL] also may be that that line was dubbed over again later.

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I have to say I hadn't noticed that! I know the line you mean, but I didn't think he lost his accent at all. Hmm.

Oh dear, that MUST mean I have to watch it AGAIN to find out. Oh no, what a hardship... emoticon

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Just a peculiar thought that occurred to me. If Bill Sykes is meant to be called 'Jock' as per the credits (although bizarrely he is never called Jock, even by Dennis and Archibald) - shouldn't he have been given a Scottish accent???

Can we therefore conclude that the Bobster wasn't exactly 'all that' at Scottish accents? Scottish accents are REALLY difficult to master so it's no bad thing that he couldn't do it, I don't know many non-Scots who can do a convincing Scottish accent.

Besides, just take his crazy accent from Vessel of Wrath... non-pirate accents really weren't his forte!!! heeheehee!!!



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I have seen bits and pieces of Hatter's Castle, in which Bobbie has a Scottish accent. I thought that the accent was o.k., though I confess I'm not an expert on the subject!


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I would so love for a Scottish person to weigh in on the James-Brodie's-Scottish-accent question. BTW, does anybody here watch the Craig Ferguson show? Despite being over here for years (he just got his American citizenship), he still has a pretty heavy Scottish accent, to the point where a lot of guests would go on the show and not be able to understand him. (But, of course, when he goes back to Scotland, they tell him he's picked up an American accent, lol.) Anyway, there was one actor on his show a couple of months ago--Johnny Lee Miller, who plays (or played? not sure if the show has been renewed for the coming season--or should I say "series"?? emoticon) Eli Stone, which was on right after LOST--who Craig complimented on his Scottish accent in Trainspotting. (I saw Trainspotting, and I don't remember him in it at all. Too busy looking at Ewen Bremner, I guess, lol.) Meanwhile, I was totally shocked to find out that he was British because his American accent on Eli Stone is absolutely perfect (kinda like Hugh Laurie on House). The guy obviously has a gift for accents. I think Craig has also praised Mike Myers's Scottish accent in Shrek. On the other hand, he's constantly making fun of Scotty from Star Trek--as apparently all Scottish people do. (He says he sounds more Pakistani!)

Anyway, I'd say being a good actor and being able to imitate other people's accents are two separate talents, and not many people can do both well, and if they can't do it well, I'd rather they didn't. I'd much rather hear an actor speak in his own accent than do a bad imitation of one. (For example, I'm not even southern, but Alan Rickman's southern accent is so painfully awful that when he puts one on, I can't concentrate on anything else in the movie! And, in his over 200 films, David Warner has almost never done an accent ... and hearing him attempt an Irish one in Shergar kind of gives me an idea why. In fact, I would almost say he was miscast in Blue Tornado, playing an American military officer with an unexplained British accent, except he was the only good thing about that film ... curse him for making me watch so much B-movie dreck! And Cher attempting a New York accent in Moonstruck ... Oh dear, I shouldn't have gotten started on this topic; I'm very obsessive about accents!)

Anyway, it seems to me that Bob had the Cornish and the Cockney accents down pretty pat (though, like Jenny, I'm not proclaiming myself an expert). But listening as I do to Craig Ferguson on a nightly basis just confirms to me that Scottish was not Bob's forte, and Dutch (yeah, he was supposed to be Dutch in Vessel of Wrath!) was not in his "bag of tricks" at all!

Jenny, do you not have a copy of Hatter's Castle? And Spev, you too??

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vampyrate wrote:Anyway, I'd say being a good actor and being able to imitate other people's accents are two separate talents, and not many people can do both well, and if they can't do it well, I'd rather they didn't.



Totally agreed. I think it detracts from the performance if an accent is so awful you're just laughing at how bad it is (case in point, the 'Dutch' accent in Vessel of Wrath! Oh dear, Robert, what WERE you doing!?!). Nothing against the Bobster as an actor, obviously. Accents that don't involve pirate or c0ckney just aren't his thing, that's all. And with a real accent so completely deliciously smooth and bournevillian as his, he really didn't NEED to do other accents!!!!

No, I don't have Hatter's Castle. There are so many of Bobbie's films I don't have it's a bit depressing. I have Jamaica Inn, Treasure Island, Soldiers Three, Night Boat to Dublin and Obsession. I know, terrible isn't it?! I used to have Blackbeard the Pirate and The Desert Rats on VHS but I got a new TV and the video player doesn't work properly with it so I can't watch them anymore. Depressing!!! I'd love to see some of his earlier films, but they're so difficult to get hold of, specially in the UK for some crazy reason. I'm still on the lookout for the 17th Century Love Poems recording thing you mentioned, Susan!! It will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine!!!



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Oh yes, they will all be yours, don't worry. emoticon *takes down notes, gets off lazy posterior*

lol ... "c0ckney" ... I keep forgetting about that confounded profanity filter. emoticon (Speaking of which, are you still missing Bob's entire "C0ckney C0llection"?)

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Yes, I am still missing the entire C0ckney C0llection (love it!!!!!) - I feel like such a fake fan for having such a lousy collection!!!!

I feel like I ought to somehow bring us back on topic... er... [sign in to see URL].....

"I wonder what a real man'd look like in a skirt...!"

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... followed by Cyril Cusack playing accompaniment on the "nose pipes," lol.


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"Bill, Bill... the ladies is joinin' us!"

It's the way Bobbie adjusts his braces that makes me go all giggly and fuzzy!!

On the accent front. I re-watched it the other day and paid particular attention to "I don't know what came over me" and I don't think Bobbie did lapse into his normal voice for it. I think he pronounced "I" as "Ah" rather than "Oy" but I don't think that particularly defines either accent.

I did, however, notice that Stewart Granger lapsed into his normal accent when he said "From now on I'll make you obey me in every detail, it'll be easy. It'll be easy for you too. We don't like each other anymore." Definitely *not* C0ckney.

I did also get quite a bit more of the Marching Song but I've forgotten it off-hand. Will re-study it when I get home and report back.

Oh... and... before I forget...

You know when the fellas all get passes to Chotapur and decide to sell the Captain's gun?? The Bobster tells Dennis and Archie that he'll stay outside and keep watch - and what in the name of dear heaven was his manic hand-gesturing all about?!?!!?! It was hilarious!!!!!

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There are so many of Bobbie's films I don't have it's a bit depressing. I have Jamaica Inn, Treasure Island, Soldiers Three, Night Boat to Dublin and Obsession.


I'm sorry, I accidentally lied. I also have Busman's Honeymoon and Vessel of Wrath!!! How could I forget those?!?!

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"Bill, Bill... the ladies is joinin' us!"

It's the way Bobbie adjusts his braces that makes me go all giggly and fuzzy!!



Oh, but it just keeps getting better!

Scotsman: "I trust you'll no take a chance of strikin' the ladies."

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(Those braces you mean, Spev? emoticon)

You're right, I don't think he lost his accent when he said, "I don't know what come over me"; he just gets quieter. In fact, the speaker on this computer isn't very good, but doesn't he add under his breath, "honest I don't" at the end? It sounds like he pronounces the "h" at the beginning, which would be consistent.

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I did, however, notice that Stewart Granger lapsed into his normal accent when he said "From now on I'll make you obey me in every detail, it'll be easy. It'll be easy for you too. We don't like each other anymore." Definitely *not* C0ckney.



That's cuz he's a sergeant now! emoticon

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You know when the fellas all get passes to Chotapur and decide to sell the Captain's gun?? The Bobster tells Dennis and Archie that he'll stay outside and keep watch - and what in the name of dear heaven was his manic hand-gesturing all about?!?!!?! It was hilarious!!!!!



What, you mean right while he's saying, "I'll stay here and watch in case of trouble"? That is kind of funny now that you call attention to it. Although it seems to me I've noticed him making those sort of grand hand gestures (kinda like he's preparing to paint a picture) before in other films; it just strikes me as one of his endearing mannerisms; he tends to talk with his hands a lot. (What's even more manic is the scene in the tent where Cyril is playing with his hair and he's trying to wave all the invisible flies away! That scene cracks me up every time. What's with all the hair pulling? Those two must've been having a riot together offscreen.)


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