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Hahahaha!!! I think that should be the official technical term for the eyebrows now...!!!

The "Chadwick yer money or yer life!" bit ... God it's been a few months since I watched it but I know Bob was in Sir George's suit at this point and it was after The Hmph had written the fake letter and Bob was rambling on at a trillion miles an hour about not having any time to waste and Chadwick came over with a drink or something and Humphtastic had a gun in his hand which he crooked over his elbow, pointed at Chadwick and uttered the immortal words. It was all in one fluid motion and was quite subtle so you have to watch out for it, but it IS funny.

I know EXACTLY the look you're talking about!!!! It's practically a look of lust!!! *eeww* (Just to clarify, it's not that Charles Laughton was gay that makes me shudder - more the idea of him lusting after anyone/[sign in to see URL] people just are not attractive enough to have those thoughts!!!)



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Oh, OK, I think I do remember that "Your money or your life line now"--of course that did make it onto my abridged version since Bob is in the scene! I'll watch again tonight of course and pay closer attention (in my sleep). (And by "tonight" I mean this morning!)

"The Hmph" ... lol. Now *that* should be the official technical term for Sir Humphrey.

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I know EXACTLY the look you're talking about!!!! It's practically a look of lust!!! *eeww* (Just to clarify, it's not that Charles Laughton was gay that makes me shudder - more the idea of him lusting after anyone/[sign in to see URL] people just are not attractive enough to have those thoughts!!!)




Oh God, yes, that's the one. *eeewwwweeewwweeeeeeewwwwwwwww*!!! It's not really the gay thing for me either really (in fact, watching Emlyn fix Bob's cravat or Bob corner him on the stairs makes me downright, er, swoony); it's not even that Laughton is not attractive enough to have those thoughts (he's no Tim Spall, but he normally wasn't revolting either) ... It's that Laughton dressed/made up as The Hmph and talking through his fake putty nose is one of the most revolting things ever (he makes Quasimodo look like a cutie) and seeing him lust after anybody makes me nauseous. As Emlyn said of "Charles," "He had a complex about his appearance," so why on earth he would consent to be made even less attractive--in a film that he had almost total control over--is beyond me!

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Watching Bob corner Emlyn on the stairs makes me rather jealous..... but that's another story!!!

LOL the Quasimodo thing just makes me think of Tony Hancock's impression of him... "The Belllth.... The Bellllth.... I'm tho ugleh!!!" In fact watching the Beachcomber I couldn't think of anything else!!!! I *must* find some Hancock clips on YouTube and send the links over. I must corrupt everyone into the Hancock. He's sort of on topic too as he has always cited Robert Newton as one of his greatest inspirations!!!

It's actually Chaz's eyebrows in Jamaica Inn that worry me the most. They're just... wrong. They're sort of inverse eyebrows, narrower at the nose and wider towards the ears... Just wholly not right. I didn't even notice the fake nose, I shall have to watch it again *oh dear what a shame never mind!*

I think he consented to be made even less attractive because his character was so completely evil he wanted it to be more dramatised in his face which was made so that it made one feel physically sick to see it, he had absolutley NO redeeming features whatsoever. I mean personally I find Charlie Laughton rather cuddly in an odd sort of way, and certainly from Jamaica Inn and Vessel of Wrath you could see that he and Bobby had a fondness for each other that went past simply being good actors, their friendship portrayed in VoW was completely natural. But The Hmph was just 'orrible in every conceivable way.

That's what I reckon anyway!!


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Watching Bob corner Emlyn on the stairs makes me rather jealous..... but that's another story!!!



Jealous of which one? emoticon I think rather than decide, I'd just have to push in between them and break up the fight. (Oh, the plot bunnies ... but this isn't the squee thread, is it. Ahem.)

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LOL the Quasimodo thing just makes me think of Tony Hancock's impression of him... "The Belllth.... The Bellllth.... I'm tho ugleh!!!" In fact watching the Beachcomber I couldn't think of anything else!!!! I *must* find some Hancock clips on YouTube and send the links over. I must corrupt everyone into the Hancock. He's sort of on topic too as he has always cited Robert Newton as one of his greatest inspirations!!!



Yes, do post links! (Did I put a Robert Newton impressions thread in here somewhere? If not, feel free to start one!)
 
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It's actually Chaz's eyebrows in Jamaica Inn that worry me the most. They're just... wrong. They're sort of inverse eyebrows, narrower at the nose and wider towards the ears... Just wholly not right.



Oh, Gawd, yes! And they're far too high on his forehead; those are simply not his real eyebrows, thank God.

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I didn't even notice the fake nose, I shall have to watch it again *oh dear what a shame never mind!*



And the teeth as well! Somehow I get the impression his entire goal for that film was to outdo Lon Chaney.

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I think he consented to be made even less attractive because his character was so completely evil he wanted it to be more dramatised in his face which was made so that it made one feel physically sick to see it, he had absolutley NO redeeming features whatsoever.



The problem is that it makes Mary's initial affection for him seem incredibly far-fetched. If I were her, I'd have taken one look at him and said, "Thanks anyway, but I'll walk." (In fact, she does so much trekking by foot in the book, it would be entirely in keeping with her character.)

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Edited to add: Susan, for heaven's sake, PLEASE turn off the over-zealous swear filter!!! emoticon



Sorry, I wish I could (I agree it's absolutely absurd!), but I can't. (Please visit the "Administration" topic--under "Help" I think--for the explanation and instructions on how to turn off the swear filter in your own preferences; I can't do anything about it globally. If it's still bothering you, you could always address a complaint to Runboard on behalf of all of us! I'd sure appreciate it.)

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[Jealous of which one? I think rather than decide, I'd just have to push in between them and break up the fight.]

I bet that would be a 'real' struggle emoticon Kind of, on purpose, huh?

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I bet that would be a 'real' struggle emoticon Kind of, on purpose, huh?

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Heh heh heh ... you know me too well! emoticon

PS: Spev, I watched/listened specifically for the "your money or your life" thing, and I couldn't find it. At least, it wasn't where I thought it was from your description. Either I just zone out whenever The Hmph starts speaking, or ... do you suppose it could have been part of the mysterious missing 10 minutes, as the IMDb has the movie listed as being 108 minutes, but the longest version any of us has reported seeing was 98 minutes. (???) Oh, and, BTW, I watched a bit of "I, Claudius" right after that (a Caligula scene, of course), and comparing the two roles side by side, Charles is positively buried in make-up in JI, including the nose, the eyebrows, and probably some fake teeth as well.

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Well I've finally started reading the book after ages of putting it off because it's nothing like the film. It's true. It's nothing like the film.

I do think that Bobbie would still make a great Jem in a faithful to the book version of the film, we know he makes a great bad guy and as he's a bad guy with a vague semblence of niceness about him (I'm not too far along in it, I'm just past his first appearance in the book and up to the bit where Mary meets the priest) I think he'd really do the job justice. I also think that Leslie Banks was perfectly cast as Joss.

I can't believe what, so far, a small, insignificant part in the book Harry the Pedlar has. And how very non-Emlynish he is!!!!

I do like it so far though. Maybe not as much as the film yet but I'm sure when I'm a bit deeper into it I'll like it a whole lot more. I'm still giggling at the idea of Maureen O'Hara pulling Robert Newton's pipe out of his gob and chucking it over her shoulder - that would've been a BRILLIANT bit to put in the film!!!!



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I do think that Bobbie would still make a great Jem in a faithful to the book version of the film, we know he makes a great bad guy and as he's a bad guy with a vague semblence of niceness about him (I'm not too far along in it, I'm just past his first appearance in the book and up to the bit where Mary meets the priest) I think he'd really do the job justice. I also think that Leslie Banks was perfectly cast as Joss.



Yeah, Jem is much more interesting in the book, don't you think? I like that he's a little ambiguous/mysterious (and scruffy!). That would have been more fun to see Bobby play. And Leslie Banks would have been well cast if only they had let him have some of the great scenes that Joss has in the book! The movie doesn't give any sense of the complex relationship between him and Mary ... making her devotion to him seem a little far-fetched. (Aunt Patience is much different in the book too.)

Unfortunately, it seems there were just too many controversial subjects in the book (alcoholism, spousal abuse, rape, and, um, the biggie at the end) for the censors to allow it to be made into a proper film back then. (BTW, have you notice the complete absence of any Squire Humphrey Pengallan yet?)

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I can't believe what, so far, a small, insignificant part in the book Harry the Pedlar has. And how very non-Emlynish he is!!!!



Well, so far, heh heh. Maybe they did expand his role for the film--one of the few changes I actually like. emoticon I think Emlyn's version is definitely more interesting--and more harmless--than he is in the book; if only they'd given Joss that much screen time to develop his character, as he's much more three-dimensional in the book. Harry comes across as more of a leader than Joss to me in the film. (He certainly has more personality.) Anyway, as I recall it, Harry becomes more important later in the book. He has a big scene right around the middle of the book which has been totally euphemized for the movie. And another near the end that's not in the movie at all.

Very non-Emlynish? In what way? It's been a while since I read it, but I remember being able to picture Emlyn pretty easily while reading it. (He definitely fits the "dirty little blackguard" description.)

Anyway, I'm glad to hear you're liking it. I'll be looking forward to your ultimate assessment and comparison. (I don't think I've met anyone yet who likes that book as much as I do; it positively ruined all other novels for me! I've had a hard time finding any good recreational reading material ever since.)

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Well I finished reading it at 1:40 this morning and I have to say the lack of sleep has been totally worth it.

I'm going to write a proper review on my MySpace blog if anyone fancies reading it I'll let you know when it's up.

Suffice to say this is THE best book I have EVER read. EVER. And trust me I have read a LOT of books. I am not a fan of Daphne du Maurier. I don't like gothic novels (except I adore Frankenstein), I'm not into the "dark and mysterious cold hearted man and the poor weak woman who can't help but fall hopelessly in love with him" storylines. I've read that Jamaica Inn is a cross between Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights - so I really wasn't looking forward to reading it because I hate both of those books. I am NOT a romantic by any stretch of the imagination.

But whoever made that comparison can't have actually read Jamaica Inn. Or Wuthering Heights/Jane Eyre for that matter. It's not a romantic book. Mary Yellan is wonderful as a strong-willed, level headed woman who doesn't let her love for Jem cloud her judgement of everything else that's going on at the inn. Jem Merlyn - good grief even *I* fell in love with him and I NEVER get like that over books. Reading it from a girly perspective he seems so disinterested and uncaring for Mary, but reading it from his point of view you can see how completely full of love he is for Mary and how he literally went to any and all lengths to do whatever it took to protect her. He isn't remotely dark and mysterious, he's just a rogue who "like[s] the look of [her] and like[s] the feel of [her], that's enough for any man. It should be enough for a woman too!" I really don't think that was brought out or dwelt upon enough in the film.

I know this is probably blasphemy - but I do think that the idea of The Hmph was a lot more logical than... who the actual baddie was. I don't know why, I just didn't see the point in him. It was a bit too obvious.

Patience is way more nervous and useless than in the film. I know if I had been Mary I would've despised her for letting a man break her and I'm sure that's part of how Mary would have felt, besides feeling full of pity and familial duty towards Patience. I don't think there was any actual love between them.

Funnily enough, with Harry I didn't picture Emlyn, but I thought the character description fitted Edwin Greenwood (Dandy) a lot better. A bit rat-featured, a bit sleazy. I just couldn't picture Emlyn, as much as I tried. Then again, Emlyn's entire role in the film as far as I'm concerned is to reinforce the idea of scruffy=sexy, and Harry the Pedlar's role in the book is to reinforce the idea of gross=gross so maybe that's where my mental block sprang from!!!!

But yes, WOW imagine if Bobbie had been Jem in a proper adaptation of the book. How amazing would that have been?? You know, his whole career could've been changed!! When Jem kissed Mary for the last time in Launceston and said "One for sorrow, two for joy - I'll save the rest of the rhyme for when you're in a better humour" - I could JUST hear Bobbie saying that. Pher-woargh.

Sorry I seem to have rambled a bit. I'll do a less rambly review on MySpace.

But yes. Brilliant book. I sort of wish I hadn't read it so I can read it again and love it just the same!!!


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Best book you ever read? Ooo, this is exciting!!! Can't wait to discuss it in further depth, but I've gotta run right now. (Stay tuned.) Meanwhile, sign me up for that Jamaica Inn stay! emoticon

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