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PS: You got me all eager to re-read the book again, so I'll post my comments after I finish (it should go quickly). That way I can say something intelligent instead of relying on my memory since it's probably close to thirty years now since I last read it. But already, as of Chapter 3, it's just as awesome as I remember it. She totally makes me want to be Mary Yellan. And her descriptions make me want to go back to Cornwall more than ever (as soon as I can walk again--and figure out how to get over there!). I love the way she writes--her word choices, plus the way the dialog totally pops off the page. The characters don't sound as "Cornish" as they probably should, especially considering this is the early 1800s when regional accents would be more pronounced without TV/radio, but they always sound like real, intriguing people to me.

BTW, one thing I can already concur with you about. I don't really consider the book a romance; I suspect that assumption is based on (a) du Maurier's being a woman and (b) her being most famous as the author of Rebecca. To me, it's an adventure story in the tradition of Treasure Island--which she cited as an influence, BTW. It just happens that the main character is a woman, and she falls in love along the way.

FYI, you might be interested in the 1985 version. For one thing, I think Billie Whitelaw perfectly captures the Aunt Patience of the book. Jane Seymour is good too as Mary, and Trevor Eve, who I also like plays Jem, but like you, I think Robert Newton would have been absolutely perfect to play book!Jem. (The reason I say he's enigmatic is because, the way I read it, you never really know which side he's on till the end. But then, the real villain took me by surprise when I first read it. Admittedly, I was only 15 and far less well-read at the time ...) I like Patrick McGoohan, but I'm not sure he was the best choice to play Uncle Joss. In fact, reading the initial description of him again--with the dark coloring and hooked nose ... and being close to seven feet tall (???)--I can kind of picture Alfred Molina in the part; what do you think? The two-part TV movie drags a bit, and I don't like some of the scenes they added to fill up the time (Jem Merlyn first shows up being carted in a cage--WTF?), but it really showcases the Cornish scenery--in living color! *swoon*

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 (as soon as I can walk again--and figure out how to get over there!)


No worries, get a wheelchair, I'll push you across the moors!!! emoticon You'll be reet!!!

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I like Patrick McGoohan, but I'm not sure he was the best choice to play Uncle Joss. In fact, reading the initial description of him again--with the dark coloring and hooked nose ... and being close to seven feet tall (???)--I can kind of picture Alfred Molina in the part; what do you think?



OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! Alfred Molina is one of my favourite EVER actors and after seeing him in Spidey 2 he definitely makes a fantastic baddie... He'd make a fantastic Joss!!! Great idea!!!!

BTW did you read my MySpace review for my ancilliary suggestion as to an alternative Jem Merlyn?? I mentioned you directly as soon as I thought of it!!!

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(Jem Merlyn first shows up being carted in a cage--WTF?)



Woah... why.... what... hang on... a *cage*!?!?!?!

Does that mean that they didn't even do the pipe-smashing scene?!!? Because I would LOVE to see that onscreen.

I wish I was a TV/Movie producer so that I could do a screenplay for Jamaica Inn and keep totally faithful to the book.

In fact I'm gonna give it a whirl anyway, see how I get on.

To be honest reading the book has made me determined to knuckle down and write a novel. I know I can do it, I'm just not disciplined enough. I would just love to be able to write something that affected people as much as Jamaica Inn affected me, and for people to fall in love with my characters and story as I have fallen in love with Du Maurier's.

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 (as soon as I can walk again--and figure out how to get over there!)


No worries, get a wheelchair, I'll push you across the moors!!! emoticon You'll be reet!!!



LOL ... you're far too kind! Could be a little bumpy going though ... I don't suppose you could rustle up a nice sedan chair instead? emoticon Also, I don't know if Jamaica Inn is wheelchair accessible. (Did I mention I was there once? But I wasn't able to get into the main part of the inn because you have to be a paying customer, and I didn't have enough money to eat there and buy one of everything in the gift shop. (It's a bit pricey to stay there too.) I also went into the creepy museum that's attached to it--it's all stuffed (as in taxidermied) animals dressed in cute clothes psoed in little scenes ... emoticon

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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! Alfred Molina is one of my favourite EVER actors and after seeing him in Spidey 2 he definitely makes a fantastic baddie... He'd make a fantastic Joss!!! Great idea!!!!



Wow, great minds ... and all that. emoticon

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BTW did you read my MySpace review for my ancilliary suggestion as to an alternative Jem Merlyn?? I mentioned you directly as soon as I thought of it!!!



Yes, I did. In fact, it sounds almost too good to be true (that someone else would be thinking the same thing); I was afraid to mention it for fear that you might be pulling my leg! You're not really starting to like him, are you? emoticon

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Woah... why.... what... hang on... a *cage*!?!?!?!



Yeah, it's bizarre. It's some kind of caravan, with an animal cage (like something from the circus) being towed along, and Jem is in it (as a convict) when it pulls up to Jamaica Inn. I'm like, that is soooo not how they first meet! I mean, it was going along so well up till then, being all faithful to the book and stuff, and then ... whaaaa?

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Does that mean that they didn't even do the pipe-smashing scene?!!? Because I would LOVE to see that onscreen.



Actually, I can't remember. It's been so long since I saw it. I mainly remember the great scenery and all the houses being made of slate. I do like Trevor Eve, ever since I first saw him in Dracula in 1979, but he's no Robert Newton. (Or Emlyn Williams.)

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I wish I was a TV/Movie producer so that I could do a screenplay for Jamaica Inn and keep totally faithful to the book.

In fact I'm gonna give it a whirl anyway, see how I get on.



Sounds great to me!

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To be honest reading the book has made me determined to knuckle down and write a novel. I know I can do it, I'm just not disciplined enough. I would just love to be able to write something that affected people as much as Jamaica Inn affected me, and for people to fall in love with my characters and story as I have fallen in love with Du Maurier's.



You totally should. That's what inspired me to write a novel--cuz I've never been able to find another book as good as that one, with the right combination of adventure and romance and suspense and great characters in a great setting, all rolled up into one story. I toyed with the idea of writing one for a long time (I first started it in high school!), hoping to find another book like that, but I looked and looked and finally realized nobody else was going to write the story I wanted to read, so I'd just have to do it myself. (It does take a lot of discipline; that's why mine isn't finished yet, but I'm getting there a little at a time.)

Anyway, you seriously should write a novel; I can't wait to read it. It can't lose--you're a great writer and you love Jamaica Inn!

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LOL ... you're far too kind! Could be a little bumpy going though ... I don't suppose you could rustle up a nice sedan chair instead? emoticon


I'll rustle up a few people to carry it for us too!!

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 Also, I don't know if Jamaica Inn is wheelchair accessible.


I'm not sure when you were last at Jamaica Inn but it's now UK law that all public places provide wheelchair access, so I wouldn't worry too much!!!

I'm really quite excited about the thought of going to JI. Hopefully I will be able to afford it at some point!!! Everywhere's expensive in the UK, it's actually cheaper for Brits to go to Spain or France... or even America depending on flight prices etc, than to go to elsewhere in the UK. Ridiculous.


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Spev wrote:]OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! Alfred Molina is one of my favourite EVER actors and after seeing him in Spidey 2 he definitely makes a fantastic baddie... He'd make a fantastic Joss!!! Great idea!!!!



Wow, great minds ... and all that. emoticon



Also, Alfred Molina played Tony Hancock in a BBC biopic of his life sometime in the 90s... so that just makes him even more wonderful to me!!!


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Yes, I did. In fact, it sounds almost too good to be true (that someone else would be thinking the same thing); I was afraid to mention it for fear that you might be pulling my leg! You're not really starting to like him, are you? emoticon



Well... I can't help it, I'm only human. He *is* the definition of Scruffy=Sexy. AND he was in Ivanhoe, one of my favourite films growing up.

As "Wainwright" (my surname) is an Anglo-Saxon name and back at the time I was really into all the Knights of the Round Table/Robin Hood etc kinda stuff (I was 6 or 7 and had just been introduced to the world of Errol Flynn in Robin Hood... I've never been the same since!) - whenever I'd go for a walk with my dad through the Lancashire countryside when I was little, I'd run off with my air-bow-and-arrow running through the trees and leaping out dramatically yelling out "How does a Saxon fight?! All the day and through the night!!!"

I think Emlyn had THE best line in Ivanhoe though: "For every Jew you show me who's not a Christian, I'll show you a Christian who's not a Christian!"

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I do like Trevor Eve, ever since I first saw him in Dracula in 1979, but he's no Robert Newton. (Or Emlyn Williams.)



Quite. He's a Sexy Old Guy now though, in Waking the Dead... I think that's the British TV show he's starring in now. It's something like that anyway.

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Anyway, you seriously should write a novel; I can't wait to read it. It can't lose--you're a great writer and you love Jamaica Inn!



LOL!!!! Thanks Susan, I will now give it a proper whirl. As soon as the inspiration hits!!!! emoticon

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LOL ... you're far too kind! Could be a little bumpy going though ... I don't suppose you could rustle up a nice sedan chair instead? emoticon


I'll rustle up a few people to carry it for us too!!



Oh good, then we could both ride inside! (Carried by menacing Cornish smugglers. And if they get a little too menacing, just say the magic word "rabbit" to them. emoticon)

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I'm not sure when you were last at Jamaica Inn but it's now UK law that all public places provide wheelchair access, so I wouldn't worry too much!!!



That's good. Although I'm not planning to be in a wheelchair anytime soon. For one thing, sitting is one of the things that makes my back hurt! And for another, I haven't seen the back specialist yet (next Monday), so I'm still hoping for a cure.

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I'm really quite excited about the thought of going to JI. Hopefully I will be able to afford it at some point!!! Everywhere's expensive in the UK, it's actually cheaper for Brits to go to Spain or France... or even America depending on flight prices etc, than to go to elsewhere in the UK. Ridiculous.



I know. That's a big reason I'm not working on my trip plans yet. And with fuel prices soaring through the stratosphere (I swear, they've gone up by another 10 cents every time I pass the gas station), none of us is going to be able to afford the airfare in either direction. I feel as trapped over here with that big pond between us as I felt in the hospital over there in 2005. (I'm more upset than ever that that trip got ruined because it's looking less and less feasible to do it over ... while I'm still young enough to go! And following in Mary's footsteps, you simply must experience Cornwall on foot!)

As for Jamaica Inn itself, I remember looking into the price back then (in 2005; to answer your question, I was last there in 1993), and it was very expensive compared to all the other accommodations in Cornwall, so I expect it's probably gone up proportionately. 'Course if I had a roommate, that would make it more affordable. I was doing the whole trip on my own last time. Or that was the plan ...

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Also, Alfred Molina played Tony Hancock in a BBC biopic of his life sometime in the 90s... so that just makes him even more wonderful to me!!!



And that much more qualified to portray Bob's brother! How cool. (I always liked Alfred, ever since I saw him in Species ... before I even knew he was British, so it can't just be the accent. emoticon In fact, it's very rare to hear him speak in his own accent, although I finally got to hear him as himself on the Craig Ferguson show about a month ago. I swear, Craig gets the coolest guests. Once in a while at least. Besides getting a lot of authors, he had Tim Spall on a few months ago too. No other chat show in America has ever had Tim Spall on! Also, Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols is a semi-regular ...)

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Well... I can't help it, I'm only human. He *is* the definition of Scruffy=Sexy. AND he was in Ivanhoe, one of my favourite films growing up.



Hee. emoticon Glad we agree on that! Alas, he doesn't get scruffy nearly often enough, but when he does, look out! And he more than qualifies in Ivanhoe. And that you can't put down to make-up. That's his real hair, just on the edge of turning white, bald spot and all, gone completely wild! I love it. (Oops, we're not in "Fangirly squeeage" anymore, are we?) Ahem.

Yes, Wainwright certainly is a good old Anglo-Saxon name! I'm envious. emoticon ('Course you realize that King Arthur was a Celt who fought against the Saxons? But then Robin Hood was an Anglo-Saxon fighting against the Normans. Just like Ivanhoe. Now, as a slave, where does Wamba fit in? Is he meant to be a Saxon? Or a conquered Celt??)

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I think Emlyn had THE best line in Ivanhoe though: "For every Jew you show me who's not a Christian, I'll show you a Christian who's not a Christian!"



Agreed! In fact, I made myself a sound clip of that line, among numerous others, and put them all on a CD, along with some of Emlyn's D1ckens readings, and he reads me to sleep several times a week. Oops, we're not in "Off-topic chit-chat" anymore are we? Sorry. (But Bob is naturally in a number of those sound clips.)

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Quite. He's a Sexy Old Guy now though, in Waking the Dead... I think that's the British TV show he's starring in now. It's something like that anyway.



Seems to me I did see him someplace recently looking strangely different; maybe that was it. (Did he get a nose job or something? That was some profile he had in Jamaica Inn.) But he's still forever etched in my mind as he looked back then.

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LOL!!!! Thanks Susan, I will now give it a proper whirl. As soon as the inspiration hits!!!! emoticon



I'll be waiting! emoticon Hey, how about starting with a sequel to Jamaica Inn? What happens next in the adventures of Jem and Mary?? I really am dying to know. *seamlessly brings us back on topic* emoticon

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I'll rustle up a few people to carry it for us too!!



Oh good, then we could both ride inside!



Do you think we'd be over-Newtoning it if we started singing 28 Days In Cell in the sedan chair?!



I couldn't do a sequel to Jamaica Inn because the way I'd write it things wouldn't work out at all well for Mary and Jem. I'm really not romantic enough to believe in or give any credibility to a 'love conquers all' story!!!

The tarriffs at JI at the moment are £100 per night for a twin room with en-suite (single occupancy is from £65 per night so it does work out a little cheaper to go in twos!!). Considering it's in the south and considering the Inn's history, I'd say it was actually quite reasonable. They do have some offers on from time to time, such as three nights for the price of two, or book one night get the second night half price... it's just a question of when you book I think. It's just on a five hour drive from where I live and it's a really straight run, not even I could get lost... famous last words...!!!

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Do you think we'd be over-Newtoning it if we started singing 28 Days In Cell in the sedan chair?!



Well, just in case, I'll take the Cyril part. Now we just need someone to sing Granger's. emoticon

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I couldn't do a sequel to Jamaica Inn because the way I'd write it things wouldn't work out at all well for Mary and Jem. I'm really not romantic enough to believe in or give any credibility to a 'love conquers all' story!!!



Well, I think where she ended the book does kind of leave it up in the air, so it could go either way. I find the characters so interesting, I'd read it now matter how it turned out.

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The tarriffs at JI at the moment are £100 per night for a twin room with en-suite (single occupancy is from £65 per night so it does work out a little cheaper to go in twos!!). Considering it's in the south and considering the Inn's history, I'd say it was actually quite reasonable.



Maybe, but you're talking to someone who's usually on a youth-hostel budget! But I'm sure it's worth it. I'll just have to set aside some serious money for my next trip.

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... it's just a question of when you book I think. It's just on a five hour drive from where I live and it's a really straight run, not even I could get lost... famous last words...!!!



LOL ... Don't worry, it's pretty easy to find. There's one main road that runs straight through Cornwall, so you can't really get lost; everything's right where the book says it is! emoticon (I'm finding it even more enjoyable reading it now that I've actually been there and recognize all the place/landmark names.)

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